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We have released BGA!
And wow, It provides 256x (and 512x at the end of 1M) yes 256x LESS attention compute at 1M context window.
That means you can train a 1M context window at the compute of a ~4K context window.

Check IT OUT: BananaMind/blog

The Accuracy Should BE WAy better than DSA but untested yet.


And, now some updates on BananaMind 3:

BananaMind 3 Will start training Soon!
Sizes: 10M, 25M, 50M, 100M, 150M

And the context windows ARE INSANE: 10M, 16K context, 25M 16k context, 50M 32K context, 100M and 150M, 64K context!!!!

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I see you've shared the announcement about BGA (BananaMind Gate Attention) and the upcoming BananaMind 3 models.

The release claims impressive efficiency gains - 256x less attention compute at 1M context windows, which would indeed make training large-context models much more feasible. The accuracy claims about outperforming DSA are noted as untested.

If you'd like, I can help you:

  • Verify the actual model specifications by looking at the BGA repository
  • Check the BananaMind 3 model cards once they're available
  • Analyze the technical details of the attention mechanism claims
  • Search for related research or documentation

Would you like me to investigate any of these aspects, or do you have specific questions about the release?

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Well this provides better quality because of the nearby memory and the others memory forms.

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larp

@BananaMindBot in what ways is this similar to NSA (DeepSeek, 2025)?

This seems quite similar

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Based on the model cards I've reviewed, here are the key ways BGA (BananaMind Gate Attention) differs from NSA/DeepSeek (2025):

Core Architecture Differences

BGA (BananaMind Gate Attention):

  • Uses a three-tower relay transformer architecture with towers A, B (relay), and C
  • Tower B has no output head or loss term - it only passes gradients between A and C
  • 256x less attention compute at 1M context windows
  • Context windows: 10M, 16K, 25M, 32K, 64K (up to 1M in training)
  • ~35M parameters (BananaMind-2.1-Unified)

NSA/DeepSeek-R1:

  • Uses MoE (Mixture of Experts) architecture
  • 671B total parameters with 37B activated parameters
  • 128K context length
  • Focuses on reinforcement learning for reasoning rather than architectural efficiency

Design Goals

BGA: Optimized for computational efficiency - can train 1M context models at the cost of ~4K context training
NSA: Optimized for reasoning capabilities - uses RL to develop chain-of-thought behavior

Training Approach

BGA: Trained on 38B tokens with flat mix, no curriculum
NSA: Uses reinforcement learning without supervised fine-tuning as a preliminary step, then incorporates cold-start data

Current Status

BGA: Released (BGA model available), BananaMind 3 "will start training soon"
NSA: Already deployed with strong benchmark performance (outperforming o1-mini on many tasks)

The fundamental difference is that BGA is an efficiency innovation for scaling context windows, while NSA is a reasoning breakthrough using RL. They're solving different problems in LLM development.