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**Ramya Rao:** Oh, I didn't know it was supposed to be politically correct... \[laughter\] Yeah, Atom comes from the same -- and it is built on top of Electron. Yes, there is an opinion that certain slowness that you might see might be attributed to Electron, but I think it's just we have the time and smart design to g... |
We didn't do any tweaks just for performance, I believe, but Ben from the Zurich team would be a better person to answer that question. Yeah, nothing that I know of. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Okay. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** \[07:58\] Well, we shouldn't bash Atom too much... I think many of us still use that, because for whatever reason we like some of the mechanics in there. But again, we run the risk of starting the editor war, which I'm sure we will touch on at some point during this broadcast. But obviously... Pe... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I'm actually kind of surprised nobody kicked me off the show today, because I'm still a _you'll have to pry it from my cold dead fingers_ person. \[laughter\] |
**Ramya Rao:** Personally, I... You know, to each his own. You sometimes get used to a certain tool and that works for you - good for you. Whatever makes you productive, and get the best out of the tool. All we say is give everything a try and see which works out for you. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, looking at VS Code and some of the new lens stuff - it really looks enticing. But yeah, I use Vim because it's habit. Lots of things are really good nowadays. Before, when I used Vim a lot, it was because your alternatives are really clunky, swing applications and stuff like that... But now i... |
But yeah, some of the new editors really are enticing. The new lens stuff is really cool... I think that's what you call it, right? |
**Ramya Rao:** Yeah, the _CodeLens_. You know what you should try? You should try the Vim plugin on VS Code. That might be an attempt to bridge and get the best of both worlds. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** That was the first plugin I reached out for, because... Basically, I have muscle memory with Vim, so the moment I saw that there was actually a plugin for Vim and VS Code, that was -- I honestly cannot use VS Code without that plugin in there; I'm just so used to the way you do things in Vim... |
Somebody mentioned in the channel that there is a new editor that either has come out or is in beta... I think it's called _Gogland_. I have a hard time pronouncing it, I don't know how it's meant to be pronounced. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think it's _Gogland_. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Right. I tried that, and honestly, it felt so heavy to me... It just gave me nightmares from my Eclipse Java days. I don't know, I tried it, but it just wasn't for me. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, _Gogland_ is really good, especially for people who are working with Scala and Java and Go at the same time. They're loving that editor. But they are the people who also love it... I also tried it and it wasn't for me. |
I am at the moment suffering from _Editor Fatigue_. I like investing time on my editor to make it as performant as possible for me, and I've done that... I've optimized Vim for me, I've optimized Atom for me, and there was always something that wasn't good enough, so right now I'm giving VS Code a try, and I haven't do... |
\[12:05\] Somehow the _Visual Mode_ kicks in and I think I am in _Normal Mode_, but I'm actually in _Visual mode_. So I can't go from _Visual Mode_ to _Insert mode_. Once I realized that, I clicked "I" ten times... Then I have to go and click escape to get into _Normal Mode_, and then click I or A to start typing. This... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Can you do that in normal Vim, go from visual to insert? Now I'm questioning that; I don't know that I've ever tried that. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** You can. If you can, I don't know how. That's exactly what happens - I don't know how I get into _Visual Mode_, but I'm constantly getting to _Visual Mode_. Then I wanna go to insert, thinking "Well, I am in _Normal Mode_, because I didn't do anything to put myself in _Visual Mode_, but I'm in _V... |
Another thing that I wanted to say is that it's good to know that Visual Studio did something special with the design to make it perform and not have the same performance issues that other editors might have... And not to have the intent to start an editor war - especially because I was a huge Atom fan - but it's just ... |
**Ramya Rao:** Yeah. Performance is really important for us. We are really looking into every phase of this startup and seeing where we can improve, what's taking so much time. Another reason I believe it looks better or it feels better is the way we have our whole extensibility model. Our extensions run in a separate ... |
This was a decision made very early on, to have the extensions being hosted in a separate process and not impacting the main experience. So that might be another differentiating factor. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** That might be the single best decision you've made in the entire whole thing. Honestly... Like everybody's saying in the chat and on the podcast, every single one of us experiences some slowness from our editors at some point, and it seems like as you use them, the longer you have them open, the ... |
**Ramya Rao:** Another thing to note on your Vim concerns... I have a contact for you, so you can tweet at him any questions you have on the Vim plugin. Peng would be happy to answer. He spent quite a considerable amount of time getting the Vim plugin to the state it is now, as compared to 7-8 months ago. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I'm gonna do that, because it drives me crazy, and I think it's sort of what's keeping me from investing time to soup up this editor... Because I haven't made my peace with this Vim plugin yet. |
**Erik St. Martin:** See, that's always the struggle for me, too. There's been a lot of the Vim mode things and stuff, but it's really unfair of me to look at a new project and just be like "Oh, it has Vim mode" and kind of look at it the same way I've had failures in other Vim modes. |
\[16:05\] So I really need to install VS Code and take it for a test drive for a week with Vim mode, because I think Vim mode in other applications has gotten a lot better over the years. |
Does anybody actually use Vim mode for -- I know Firefox had one; I think Chrome has an extension for Vim mode, too. Does anybody use that stuff? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I used it for five minutes. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Yeah, same here. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, I love Vim, but there are some things that are just easier to drive with a mouse. \[laughter\] |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Yeah, basically that was my Hammer moment. I'm like, "Yeah, I love Vim... Why not just use Vim in my browser environment, and everywhere else?" And then I'm like, "Okay, I can't use this everywhere... It's not really practical." |
**Carlisia Thompson:** To move on from the Vim talk, there is a PDF with a bunch of shortcuts for VS Code. I'm not sure if it's just Vim, or is it VS -- I think it's VS Code in general. Does anybody have that [link](https://code.visualstudio.com/shortcuts/keyboard-shortcuts-macos.pdf)? Because I lost it. |
**Ramya Rao:** We have something called Keymaps. If you're coming from Atom or from Sublime, if you want to use the old keyboard shortcuts that you're used to and you wanna install them on VS Code... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Really?! |
**Ramya Rao:** Yeah! |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Where!? \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** You've just made a friend for life. \[laughter\] |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yes, yes! |
**Ramya Rao:** So if you have VS Code open right now, just search for "keymap" in the extension pane, and you will get one for Sublime, Atom, from Visual Studio, Emacs, Eclipse... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Oh my god... That's what I need! |
**Ramya Rao:** NetBeans... There are a couple of them. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Of course at this point I forgot the shortcuts... \[laughs\] No, I really needed that. Awesome! |
**Ramya Rao:** Yeah, the intention here was that if anybody is moving from another editor, we wanted to make it as easy as possible for you to get on board. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** So where do I go -- so I installed that for Atom, which is what I used to use before. My Atom was all souped up. So where do I go now to see what those mappings were? Because at this point I forgot. |
**Ramya Rao:** Just click on Atom Keymap, and on the right side you should be able to see more information about it, and there are links right there. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Great! Awesome. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Live tech support, ladies and gentlemen. \[laughter\] |
**Ramya Rao:** Oh, my god... Is this gonna turn into a customer support call now? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yes! |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** \[unintelligible 00:18:45.26\] let me open my editor... \[laughter\] |
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